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Isn't that true of pretty much any high-level public official though? Granted that it is MORE true of Trump, but they ALL have investments that are vulnerable. More to the point, they all have FAMILY that are vulnerable. Don't you think that if a terrorist wanted to hurt Obama, they could...

Apparently, the Ryzen CPU has a VERY small die: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_s_ryzen_cpus_use_10_less_die_area_than_their_intel_equivalents/1

I need to change our HTTPS cert. Apparently, StartSSL are no longer on the 'approved' list because they have been purchased by another outfit with some rather shady practices.

It ran as a file server for a while before it died. I tried to do some overclocking with it, but was never very successful. Dual CPUs just aren't very conducive to OC, and the mobos aren't really designed with that in mind either.

Moved the Ryzen discussion to here: https://www.gamersonlinux.com/forum/threads/amd-ryzen-discussion.2070/

Interesting read I just came across: https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/06/03/the-economics-of-intel-corporations-broadwell-e.aspx It gets into some of what we've been talking about here, from Intel's perspective.

It's worth noting that Intel's Broadwell-e CPUs are apparently based around a 10-core CPU, which is then chopped down to get the 6C and 8C parts. This is almost certainly a significant portion of the reason why the 6C 6800K is running around $420, with prices rapidly going north from there...

Agreed, there's no significant difference between a faulty chip and deliberately degraded one from the standpoint of the manufacturing process. However, typically when you contemplate a maneuver like that, you are doing it in anticipation of creating parts via an alternative process that allows...

I think the AMD 8C chips will be priced to compete with the Intel 6C chips. Pay the same price, get 2 extra cores, what's not to like? That's just a guess though.

There's a bit of difference, I think, between deliberately destroying hardware in order to make a product that you are going to sell more cheaply, and downclocking an existing product because you have more parts than you can sell at the high end. In the case of the 4C vs. 8C scenario, I would...

I'm not following you? The Ryzen is DESIGNED to DIRECTLY compete against the Intel 8C/16T CPUs. Their demos have showed them competing with and even BEATING the 6900K, which is a socket 2011 v3 i7 chip (broadwell-e).

IMO, that's complete rubbish. That's just my opinion, though. I don't know any more than the next guy, but there's just a lot of things that don't make sense. Some of it MIGHT be believable, if you squint hard enough, but the big sticking point for me is the 6-core thing. So far, everything...

I haven't fully committed to the Ryzen build yet, and won't until I see some actual real benches, but I'm cautiously optimistic about what I've seen. I'm also hoping to go with one of the Vega GPUs, now that AMD's Linux drivers seem to have decent performance.

I'm going to be a new build using the Ryzen CPU when they come out, but it's DDR 4, otherwise I'd definitely glom on to this.

Hope Dan and Patti are OK. This crap is no fun.

I suspect I am recovering from that right now. I've been down since Tuesday, but I'm on the mend now. Stomach for me.

To certain extent, I think this had to happen. Although I am very sad to see it because of the pain that will follow, I'm also happy to see it, because of the pain that will follow. I'm hopeful that once we get through the pain and tears, we'll finally start seeing each other as brothers and...

I love this. We have a saying "Setting oneself up for failure", but this is so much more succinct!

This is GREAT news! The only thing keeping me from using ATI cards has been the horrible performance of the Radeon drivers on Linux. My son and I are planning a new build using the AMD Ryzen CPU for overclocking. Knowing that we can use the Radeon drivers now definitely opens up possibilities...

Happy belated b-day!