Another submission rejected!!??

booman

booman

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Geesh, this is getting ridiculous... No wonder most of the submissions show "garbage" or "bronze"... because they were tested years ago when Wine sucked!

Reason given:
Do not submit test reports for incorrect Wine versions, as it is misleading to users. Retest in a version of Wine that is still on the list and resubmit.
We appreciate your help in making the Application Database better for all users.
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Here are the only versions of Wine they will accept for test submissions:
  • 1.6-rc4
  • 1.6-rc3
  • 1.6-rc2
  • 1.6-rc1
  • 1.5.31
  • 1.5.30
  • 1.4.1
  • 1.2.3
  • 1.2.2
  • 1.2.1
  • 1.0.1
  • 1.0.0
I'm a little confused...
Why won't they allow 1.5.18 or 1.4 or 1.5.25 and so on?
Those are great versions of Wine and very stable as far as I can tell.

Apparently Wine 1.6 and above are the "beez-knees" but how was I supposed to know?
I just don't understand why so many of my submissions get rejected when the game worked?
How are readers on WineHQ supposed to be encouraged to try a game if they see "garbage" and "bronze" all over the place?

I will start using Wine 1.6 and newer from now on, but don't forget about 1.5 releases. They are very good and stable for many of my games.

It sucks because the only reason they rejected is because I put Wine 1.5.25 in my notes. Just like it was regected when I put PlayOnLinux in my notes.

So now I'm forced to choose:
  1. Test with required Wine versions
  2. Test with Wine only (no more PlayOnLinux)
or:
  1. Submissions do not note "actual" tested version
  2. Submissions do not note PlayOnLinux
They claim its "misleading" to submit other versions of Wine when I think its misleading not to...
Its misleading to make us think all games run great in Wine alone when its a total pain using the Terminal and installing/uninstalling versions of Wine to allow your game to run. Or not run for that matter.
 
Yeah, I don't mind telling them, but where do I start?
They have a bunch of admins who review submissions, but I don't think they have name@winehq.org emails
 
Wow. That gave me a brain ache. I assume they are ignoring all other versions? Does Playonlinux change Wine any or is it just a Front end?
Booman your doing great work.
 
When you install Wine the first time PlayOnLinux will use that version in your default "virtual drive" and the system version in configure.
I never use that anymore because when I do my guides its not specific on which version of Wine.
I always download and select a version of Wine instead.
Now I could check all of my games again on a newer version of Wine, but that means installing each game again. Seems like wasted time, but if Wine won't even accept their own old versions of Wine, guess we shouldn't be using them anyways.

My problem is that I have been testing with many different versions of Wine and some work, some don't.
So its hard for me to trust a newer version of Wine because I half-expect it to work.
In PlayOnLinux Wine Version Manager you will notice that there is a LOT of Wine 1.5... versions. Notice how they are custom for certain games and clients?
How can WineHQ ignore that?

It just seems like WineHQ is narrowing down what a definition of successful install is but not giving me any guidelines to follow.
 
If I can get Mint Debain to work this will help you quite a bit as Debain doesn't EVER require a reinstall to update. I know wine is still messed up for you to work with, but this will give us an OS that will be far more stable to work from...this is why I see Debain as being so important to our endeavors....one less thing we need to worry about.
 
Installing Linux isn't the problem, its Wine.
When you install Wine, you can install the latest version.
But if you want to try a game in an older version, you have to uninstall Wine and re-install it again.
I think you can do it with Winetricks, but you all know my views on these methods.

PlayOnLinux does all of this for you, but WineHQ doesn't accept submissions using PlayOnLinux. They claim its "misleading" but if one Wine worked for all games, then I wouldn't be messing with PlayOnLinux would I?
 
Debian is still a wash...I can get past the 32 bit libarays thing, but pol goes to pieces when you try to install a game, none of the pol scrips are seen as good and ...well it's a multi-layered mess. we will be with mint Ubuntu for a while yet...sigh...
 
So, do we need put together a compatibility list that includes newer versions of Wine?
 
Yes, that is a good idea, but its an ever-changing-list
They are always releasing a newer version and it will eventually over-ride an older version.
 
I tested Alan Wake with Wine 1.6-r4 and then re-submitted
 
I'm as bewildered as you are Boo...can you get in touch with someone at WINE and find out what their thinking is on this, they must have some kind of reason for this seemingly arbitrary behavior?
 
I think the reason is because they want us to use specific/reliable versions of Wine because those are the stable ones.
Like 1.4.1
But the problem is that Wine versions are not reliable as of yet. So we continue to use different versions for different games.
So either they have confidence that their list of Wine versions is enough for all games or they need to let us test with other available releases.

So far I have not seen one Version of Wine work for all games... specially games with Securom or XboxLive
Even Steam has a problem with different versions of Wine... so I am not going to limit myself to their list.
 
So long as POL can access and DL any wine we want to use, let's use any wine we want
 
Ok, I haven't messed with anything beyond some canned Crossover stuff, but if we are dependent on particular versions of wine to play particular games, and the package updaters for our favorite distros keep updating us to the latest and greatest wine, then what do we do about older wine versions? Does POL provide the means to download and install a particular wine version?
 
It does indeed! ":O}

We cab select any wine we want for any given game.
 

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booman said:
So far I have not seen one Version of Wine work for all games... specially games with Securom or XboxLive
Even Steam has a problem with different versions of Wine... so I am not going to limit myself to their list.
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This is a big issue, and I think is what lies at the heart of the request to test on specific/reliable versions of Wine; they can't get things working correctly in the stable tree if people aren't telling them the things that don't work on the stable tree.

That said, knowing that it worked in version x but not version y would seem to me to be a useful datapoint.
 
So why aren't they going slower and insuring backward compatibly? Why aren't they insuring that what use to work still does in Wine?
 
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